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Saturday, April 3rd, 2010
1:24 pm - Why are you veg*an?

Still out there? I see this community has been quiet for... well, years. But I'm hoping you folks are still around. I know I could probably go find a busy veg*an community somewhere to ask this question, but the three veg*an women in my family, myself included, are each in the 200 - 250 lb range, so I feel like veggies_of_size is my peer group.

I recently returned to vegetarianism after a long absence. (I posted about my reasons here in my journal.) It's been about three weeks now, and while I wouldn't say my commitment is wavering, I keep having to remind myself why I made that commitment. I thought it would help to hear why you did!

So what made you become a vegetarian or vegan? How long has it been for you? How do you feel your life is better for it?

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Sunday, June 17th, 2007
12:59 am - Is this thing on?


Not sure if anyone is around and still reading, but...

Any leads on plus size vegan clothes? I'm so sick of going from website to website only to find out that they stop at XL.

I'm fat and I want some hemp pants, dammit!

current mood: aggravated

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Thursday, March 15th, 2007
11:51 am - Big Fat Vegan Gladiators!

Someone posted about this in one of the vegan communities here on LJ. I think this is too cool. It debunks two myths they don't even mention in the story. One, that vegans are all willowy and sickly. Two, that fat people can't be strong, healthy athletes. Rock on, fat vegan gladiators! Rock on!

Roman gladiators were fat vegetarians

Robert Koch
Agençe France-Presse
Monday, 5 April 2004

Roman gladiators were overweight vegetarians and not the muscle-bound men protrayed by actors like Russell Crowe, anthropologists say.

Austrian scientists analysed the skeletons of two different types of gladiators, the myrmillos and retiariae, found at the ancient site of Ephesus, near Selsuk in Turkey.

"Tests performed on bits of bone taken from the skeletons of some 70 gladiators buried at Ephesus seem to prove that they ate mainly barley, beans and dried fruit," said Dr Karl Grossschmidt, who took part in the study by the Austrian Archaeological Institute
"This diet, which has been mentioned in the oral history, is rather sad but it gave the gladiators a lot of strength even if it made them fat," said Grossschmidt who is a member of the University of Vienna's Institute of Histology and Embryology.

The Austrian palaeoanthropologists relied on a method known as elementary microanalysis that allows scientists to determine what a human being ate during his or her lifetime.

With the help of a sonar, they could establish the chemical concentrations inside cells in the bone samples taken from the skeletons at Ephesus.

From this, they could deduce how much meat, fish, grains and fruit made up the diet of the Roman fighting machines.

A balanced diet of meat and vegetables leaves equal amounts of zinc and strontium in the cells, while a mainly vegetarian diet would leave high levels of strontium and little zinc, Grossschmidt said.

Fabian Kanz, from the university's department of analytical chemistry, said the gladiators' bone density gave us clues to how they lived.

"The bone density here was higher than usual, as is the case with modern athletes," he said.

This line of testing allowed the scientists to debunk another myth, that gladiators wore strappy Sparticus sandals in the arena.

"The bone density is particularly high in samples taken from the feet, which would suggest that the gladiators fought with their bare feet in sand," Kanz said.

He believed that because some gladiators fought with little more than their bare hands, they could have "cultivated layers of fat to protect their vital organs from the cutting blows of their opponents".

A gladiator's life
In ancient Rome, the classical battle of gladiators usually pitted a myrmillo armed with a sword, a helmet and a round shield, against the lightly armed retiarius who carried only a net and a dagger, or a samnite who wore a visor and a leather sheath protecting his right arm.

They were mostly slaves who volunteered to fight because sometimes the victor would be freed as a reward, or poor Romans who fought for pay.

The Austrian scientists are still carrying out further tests, but if their initial findings are confirmed it would change the glamorous image of the men immortalised in Spartacus, the 1960 movie starring a young Kirk Douglas, and the more recent Gladiator with Crowe in the main role.

"It seems that the gladiators tried to put on some weight before their battles," Kanz said.

"But this does not mean that they did not work hard to lose it again once they stepped out of the ring," he added.

The archeological site of Ephesus is one of the most important in Turkey.

The Greeks founded the city but it was the Romans who made it the capital of their Asian province and turned it into one of the wealthiest cities of their empire.


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Saturday, October 21st, 2006
7:12 pm - i've been telling people for years that i'm not fat due to an eating disorder...

Researchers Find Food-free Route to ObesityCollapse )


if they made a pill that corrects the suggested hormone imbalance that causes you to be fat, would you take it?

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Saturday, June 17th, 2006
11:49 pm - Slight Issue with the Mission Statement of this Community

I'm fat. And, while I agree that really all of the anti-fat body image propaganda is not only sad and stupid, but harmful, I'd say that this group's claim of "health at any size" was a little too focused on fighting the good fight, and thus neglectful of the truth of the matter. I'm fat to an unhealthy level, and I know this, and that fat can hurt health...

But, in general, I'm quite impressed with the take that this community is taking. Screw assigned body image feel bad propaganda.

(And, be as healthful as you can/are willing to be. I won't give you hell about it, but not dying young is a plus too.)

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Friday, June 9th, 2006
12:48 pm - Cooking is fun again!

Sometimes it takes the purchase of a new cookbook or the discovery of a new web site to spark those creative juices and get one cooking tasty foods again.

In my case, it was the discovery of Isa Chandra Moskowitz and her Post Punk Kitchen cable-access TV show and web site:
and her cookbook, Vegan With A Vengeance.

For too many months now I was cooking the same old bland and blah foods - lentil loaves, beans & rice with variations of tomato based sauces. But once I found Isa, cooking is fun again and I have a very stuffed hubby.

I've already made her Mashed Potatoes and Punk Rock Garbanzo Bean Gravy a number of times, made up 3 different batches of vegan cupcakes, each one more delicious than the next (Luckily she also has a cupcake book coming out later this year), and have had baked or fried tofu in more ways than I knew existed. Heck, her seitan recipe alone is worth the price of the book! No more "brainy" or rubbery seitan but delicious, slicable loaves!

NAYY, just a very happy cook with a very happy hubby.

Does anyone else have a vegan cookbook they can report on?

current mood: happy

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Friday, November 4th, 2005
12:50 pm - Generous calf size cruelty-free boots?

Hey round vegans, I just moved to the NW from Texas and winter rapidly approacheth and I need cruelty-free boots.

I have thick calves, though, and I'm worried that I won't be able to find boots that have large calves and are cruelty-free.

Can anyone point me to specific boot and shoe brands that they KNOW are roomy?


(xposted to fat vegan)

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Wednesday, October 19th, 2005
3:38 pm - nori and tofu soup

i like this chinese recipe. you can add extra sea vegetables like dulse, kombu, shitakes etc. if you like. this a good nutritious soup if your sick. food is always the best medicine.

nori and tofu soup
1 pound of soft tofu, cut into half inch cubes
4 nori sheets,
1 oz szechaun preserved vegetables, minced(optional but tasty)
4 cups of stock
1/2 tsp salt
4 sliced scallions, thinly sliced
2 tbs cornstarch dissolved in a 1/4 cup stock
1/2 tbs sesame oil

bring the stock, salt and szechaun preserved vegetables to a boil. add most of the scallion, reserving some of the green slices for the end. reduce the soup to a simmer and gently add the tofu cubes. meanwhile cut the nori into 1 inch squares. stir in the starch and stir till thickened. then stir in the nori, extra scallion greens and sesame oil. serve hot.

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Thursday, September 29th, 2005
7:09 pm - Davie's Healthy!

Wednesday night was Davie's first vet visit and it has all turned out really well for now. Well, first I guess you should know that Davie was officially dubbed to be a female, and no, we are not changing her name from Davie – even though my boyfriend keeps insisting that we do. The doctor believes she is about a year and half old, and that she may look younger but it's just because she is a 'petite cat'. I mean, she only weighed in at a little less than six pounds.

As far as her tests went, she tested negative for Feline Leukemia and negative for any parasites as well. So we are very relieved about that. The doctor said that that she is in relatively good health, just a little under nourished, but besides that she seems to be fine. As far as the hair loss on her back is concerned, the doctor said that she believes it is just from being malnourished but just to make sure we did a "culture-dermatophyte". As soon as those tests come back we will either cure the hair loss issue (if it is positive) or allow Davie to finally run free in the house with our other cats (if it is negative). It can't be mange or anything of the sort, because she is parasite free, so the doctor is almost sure it is just from being outside and not healthy.

As far as shots and vaccine area concerned, Davie got her FeLV Vaccine and also her FVRCP kitten vaccine this visit. In three weeks we will be taking her back to get her other set of shots (I believe she still needs her booster and something else). So we will make sure to keep you updated as things progress.

Also, here is the invoice of the vet visit, just in case any of you wanted to see it for some reason or another. I know a lot of you are still skeptical about this whole thing, so hopefully that will clear your mind of any disbelief you may still have. The cost for the visit was $168, but they gave me a student discount for going to USF so it got knocked down to $151.20. I still have to go back and get the rest of her shots taken care of, which will probably run me between $60-$80, and then get her sterilized at the Humane Society for $40. So, I'm no where near done spending the cash, but I am just happy that Davie is going to be okay :) My info has been blacked out for safety reasons of course.


And I also have some new pictures of Davie from in my apartment - enjoy.


Thanks to everyone that donated to help save Davie! We appreciate it!!!
<3 Amber

current mood: happy

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Saturday, September 24th, 2005
3:11 pm - Help Save Davie!!!

Hey guys! I don't know how many people have read my post before about Davie, but this is a post to beg anyone of you that can help me, to help out.

The Davie StoryCollapse )

Please, please, PLEASE! If anyone can give anything to help me out with this cat I would be forever grateful. My heart really goes out to Davie, it's special. It isn't one of those cats that want to be outside and alone... Davie really wants a home, and I need help so he/she can get one.

I am going to spend my entire refund check from USF (left over money from grants and scholarships) to save this cat, but it isn't going to be enough. I get the check on the 20th of October, so I have about 1 month to come up with as much money as I can to get Davie healthy. If I can get 20 people to give just $5, which cuts the cost for me down to 50% of what the total estimated cost is. Better yet, if I could get 20 people to donate $10 each I could buy it extra things such as cat food and litter, because I do already have 2 cats.

If you can't give, I understand. But, if you can, please give something, anything is better than nothing.

Thanks again guys!
<3 Amber

*I would appreciate it if you guys could spread the word about this. I have posted this in many journals, so I am just praying for everyone to give a little bit, just a little to save Davie...

current mood: sad

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Saturday, July 16th, 2005
8:48 pm - Help Staying Veg

I've been trying to go completely vegetarian for over a year. I always end up giving in to chicken when the cravings start. Does anyone have any advice for me?


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Monday, June 27th, 2005
9:33 pm - Help with a meat-eater?

Here's the problem: My father is obese. He has been a meat-and-potatoes man his entire life. He drinks about 2-3 glasses of milk a day, will eat an entire bag of potato chips in one sitting if you let him, and generally doesn't care about what he puts in his body as long as it tastes good.

He went to the doctor today and was given the final "you need to lose weight" warning. He was also put on glucophage because he's now developed diabetes. He has been all but banned from meat and dairy, which are the two things he mainly lives off.

Whenever I cook my vegetarian food, he gripes about it. He hates tofu, he hates rice noodles, he hates soy, he hates fake chicken, he hates...well, everything. He does like vegetables, so I give him credit there, but getting him to eat anything that isn't bathed in rich sauce and fat is next to impossible.

My question is, what foods can I possibly feed him that he'll tolerate? Anything "odd" is out. No tofu, no soy, no miso, no ethnic foods. He wants good, old-fashioned American staples, done veggie-style. They need to be very easy to make, and the ingredients need to be found in your average American pantry.

Help me out. I'm desperate, and I don't know what to do for him anymore. He's finally willing to work with me — he's actually downstairs reading his new food pyramid info from his doctor right now — but I need to make this as easy as possible for him.

current mood: worried

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Friday, June 24th, 2005
7:35 pm - This is not a veggie post.

Torrid is so very awesome. They opened up a real live store in my town and my sister took me. I bought a tee-shirt. And everything is very cool and very now looking. No granny clothes. Yay and double yay.

And in other news - why do folks not believe me when I say I'm veggie? Do they really think it's in anyway polite or acceptable to say, "But I thought vegetarians were skinny?" with that incredulous look that I just want to bitch-slap off their face???

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10:57 am - Recipe: BBQ Tofu and Broccoli Salad!

Mix this up a few hours ahead of serving, it helps the flavour if all the seasonings are allowed to meld.

1 lb extra firm tofu, chopped into 1/4" cubes
2 large bunches of fresh broccoli, washed and chopped into small florets
1 large sweet red onion, minced
2 carrots, coarsley grated
1 cup lightly toasted pumpkin or sunflower kernals
1 cup raisins or other chopped dried fruit
1 cup vegan mayo (Vegenaise or Nayonnaise)
1/3 cup barbeque sauce (homemade or storebought)
3 tbsp vegetable oil
1 tbsp liquid sweetener (agave nectar or maple syrup)
1 tbsp apple cider vinegar
salt and pepper to taste

Heat oil in a large skillet. Add the tofu cubes and brown on all sides over medium heat, stirring frequently. Add the barbeque sauce and continue cooking for several minutes, until the sauce begins to caramelize. Remove from heat and allow to cool.

Place all ingredients, except for the seeds/kernals, in a large bowl and mix thoroughly. Chill, and add the kernals/seeds just before serving.

Serves 6 - 8

xposted to my recipe journal: kreeli

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Thursday, June 23rd, 2005
8:07 pm - nice article

size isn't everything!

Obesity has been trumpeted as the biggest health risk of modern times. But is it really? Jerome Burne reports on startling new research.

21 June 2005

Obesity is the modern health obsession. Every week seems to bring a new warning about the health "timebomb" that threatens to cut short the lives of future generations unless radical action is taken to reduce Westerners' weight. Earlier this month, the British Medical Journal warned in stark terms that this epidemic needed a politically driven public health policy to curb it.

But could the dangers have been overstated? Recent authoritative research suggests that the obesity epidemic is more of a mirage conjured up by various statistical glitches. In fact, if you're officially classified as overweight, you may have a lower risk of premature death than those deemed to be a healthy weight. And that's not the only major obesity rethink underway at the moment. Long term, not dieting may be better for your health than trying to lose weight.

Only a year ago, a widely quoted research paper claimed that obesity in America was responsible for 400,000 extra deaths every year - almost on a par with the toll exacted by smoking. This figure has just been radically revised downwards by a paper in the Journal of the American Medical Association, which suggests that "it is still far from certain whether there is any measurable mortality toll at all among overweight and obese Americans as a group." The author, Dr Katherine Flegal, a researcher at the prestigious Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (known as the CDC) in Atlanta, found that "even severe obesity failed to show up as a statistically significant mortality risk".

This is a remarkable turnaround and, unsurprisingly, now the topic of a fierce debate. However, several academics see it as a powerful vindication of what they have been saying for years. A detailed account of the doubter's case is put forward in the June edition of the Scientific American. "We are creating a disease simply by labelling it as such," says Paul Campos, professor of law at the University of Colorado and author of The Obesity Myth.

What he means is that, at the moment, people are labelled as overweight at an arbitrary point on the BMI (Body Mass Index) scale, which relates your weight to your height. Score between 19 and 24, and you are officially "healthy", but between 25 and 30 you immediately become overweight, while anything over that makes you obese. More and more people are falling into the "overweight" and "obese" categories, but this is only cause for alarm if being overweight automatically means a rise in mortality. It's this assumption that is being put under the microscope.

There are more than 100 independent risk factors for heart disease, such as poor diet, lack of physical fitness, high stress levels, being poor and certain gene variations. But most studies linking obesity to heart disease lump them all in with being obese.

However, when Dr Flegal separated them out a quite different picture emerged: the number of deaths linked with being "moderately and severely obese" ranged from between "122,000 more to 7,000 fewer". Her analysis is controversial and there is obviously a wide margin of error, but it does suggest that warnings about epidemics may be rather premature. The implication is that if you are overweight, smoke, eat poor food, don't exercise and so on then you are certainly more at risk from illness. But if you are overweight - or even obese - but have a healthy lifestyle, then the risk becomes less certain.

"By the same criteria we are blaming obesity for heart disease, we could accuse smelly clothes, yellow teeth or bad breath for lung cancer," says Eric Oliver, a political scientist at the University of Chicago and author of Obesity: the Making of an American Epidemic, due out in the autumn.

Oliver and his fellow contributors to the Scientific American article have other arguments, too. For instance, over the last two decades the average BMI of Americans has risen remorselessly. However, their average levels of risk factors for heart disease, such as blood pressure and cholesterol, have gone in the opposite direction. Far from rising, as you would expect if they were being driven by obesity, they have declined by about 50 per cent. What's more, the increase in diabetes in the 1990s was not nearly as sharp as the rise in BMI.

Exactly what practical effect this major rethink will have isn't at all clear. Dr Flegal has been accused of giving comfort to the junk food lobby by downplaying the dangers of being overweight. But the new analysis doesn't offer a refuge to pizza-scoffing couch potatoes. Obesity itself may not be such a killer as was previously thought, but that is probably partly because of improved treatments and because more people classed as overweight by their BMI are exercising, eating a whole food diet and avoiding obvious risky behaviours.

The critics not only believe that the dangers of obesity are overstated, but also question the value of dieting to reduce it. As many as 75 per cent of Americans are trying to lose weight or keep it off at any one time, but what is the effect in the long run? A recent survey by CDC of people over 65 found that only 6 per cent of officially non-obese older adults had been obese a decade earlier. In other words, even if the weight comes off it very rarely stays off.

Campos, for example, points out that there is a strong genetic component to the amount of fat you store, which means that there is no safe and practical way for losing more than about 5 per cent body weight long-term. As a result, advice to stay within BMI range is "literally impossible" for many. It is data like this that has led a group at the University of California, Davis to try a new approach called "Health at Every Size".

This doesn't involve dieting; instead, people considered to be overweight are taught how to pay more attention to the internal body cues that signal hunger and fullness, and encouraged to be more accepting of their large size. Last month, the group reported on a two-year trial involving overweight and obese women, half of whom went on the new course and half of whom were on a regular diet.

Those on the course were not only happier but also healthier than the dieters. They were four times more likely to be engaged in physical activity, had significantly improved blood pressure and cholesterol levels, and were less depressed.

It seems that a campaign that concentrates on boosting people's health, rather than demonising them for being the wrong size, could be more rewarding - and more effective.

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Saturday, June 18th, 2005
1:04 pm - So how do you move and groove?

I've been trying to get back into the exercise groove, and I'd love to hear what you guys are doing. Summer is here in Florida, which means 95+ and 100 percent humidity. Not happy for the outdoor exercising. Walking in the morning is tolerable, except for the whole getting up that early part.

So what are you doing exercise wise?

current mood: bouncy

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Friday, June 17th, 2005
3:34 pm - talkin bout loving our fat veggie bodies.

hey everyone. i feel like this community has lost it's purpose somewhere along the way and i feel responsible for that because i kind of lost my drive there for a while, and i'm the founder, and well, i just let it slide. i'm sorry about that. so let's re-cap. this community is for us larger or thick veg*ns to come together and talk about the foods we are eating and our veggie lifestyles, the issues we have being a sub-group of veg*ns that are looked down on by the veggie community due to our size, and how we can stay positive about our bodies and food choices despite the negativity we encounter in the world at large.

as a size positive community, and one that i hope will remain anti-dieting, i want to steer our focus away from numbers. numbers on the scale, number of calories, number of fat grams, etc. numbers on our clothing labels. instead i would like us to talk about our bodies in terms of fitness (do you get daily exercise?) and solid nutritious eating choices, as well as learning that even big people can enjoy some dessert without turning it into a huge guilt-fest.

food is such a loaded issue and when we as a culture and individuals ascribe certain moral characteristics to the food we are eating we send messages to our subconcious and the people around us that can be good or bad. when we say that this delicious slice of cake is "sinful" or tell ourselves and each other how "naughty" we are for consuming a big bowl of soy delicious ice cream smothered in chocolate sauce, we internalize those messages - "i ate something sinful and was naughty after dinner, therefore i am sinful and naughty" (for those of us who enjoy being considered sinful and naughty, please take that sentence in the spirit it was intended and know that i am refering to our tendancies to internalize fatphobia). likewise, we can go around feeling superior and self-righteous (and damn hungry!) if we restrict our calories all day long and eat nothing but spirulina apple smoothies and raw sunflower seeds. i am interested in talking about how we can enjoy both types of food - the rich indulgences that bring us comfort and engage us in social events like holiday feasts, etc. and those foods that not only taste good but also nourish our bodies efficiently and cleanly.

i know this post is all over the place - i'm just trying to open some dialogue here because i was reminded of this community while reading about reclaiming the word "fat" from the haters, and using it the way it was originally used, as a benign descriptor, like calling someone "tall" or "blonde" (both of which i am).

also, can i see some pictures of my fellow veggies of size? here's me:

kreeli, april 2005

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Thursday, June 9th, 2005
9:38 pm - jammin soup recipe!

I made some of the EASIEST soup today and it was very tasy. Great way to get fiber and veggies for very little fat/calories.

2 cans of diced tomatoes with diced chilis
1 can of kidney beans
1/2 cup plain soy milk

Blend the tomatoes and beans in a blender until they are creamy. Pour it into a saucepan and add the milk. Stir on low heat till it is hot and eat it! Makes about 3 large servings

You can garnish with a few tortilla chips or parsley but we just ate it straight and it really was good. One big bowl is like 200 calories and no saturated fat or cholesterol.

current mood: full

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Friday, May 20th, 2005
12:38 pm

soo, i've been vegan/freegan for about a week or so, after about 6 years of lacto-ovo vegetarianism (and about 2 years of 'veganism' where i basically lived off soy products and carbs, not good) and i like it, definitly feel healthier. one catch: i'm a college student, currently visiting the family. i live with a vegetarian and an omnivore who are both better and more eager cooks than myself, and of course i'm busy and on a budget. so, point being, i guess i'm just looking for some advice/tips on how to keep this up, when i no longer have as much money, support, or time to cook. thanks in advance; this community is awesome despite it's quietness. have a wonderful day!

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Friday, May 6th, 2005
9:15 pm

Hi there! My name is Ashley, and I'm a college student from Connecticut. I've been working towards vegetarianism for awhile now, especially since I was diagnosed with advanced precancer of the stomach and esophagus a few years ago. It's been rapidly progressing, and my doctors really want me to cut out all meat as soon as possible.

I'm admittedly still eating it, usually chicken or turkey, about twice a week, but I'm on my way. (I know that any of you who have been through this know how hard it is.) I think cheese will be my biggest hurdle to overcome, but if I can at least get rid of regular meat and not rennet, I'll be happy.

I've recently fallen in love with tofu, as evidenced by the tofu recipe community I set up a couple days ago. (Not linking because I'm sure promoting is frowned on.) I've been eating it periodically for years, but never like I am now.

I was wondering if anyone had some tofu recipes to share. I'd especially like some recipes that call for a lot of fruits and vegetables, since — let's face it — as an overweight girl, I eat big portions, and I'd like those portions to be as healthy and inexpensive as possible.

Also, does anyone have a tofu pizza recipe? I know, I know — it'll still call for cheese. I'm trying, though! :)

Edit: Forgot to mention that my allergies are peppers (including bell, chili, and all the other types) and mangoes, and I'm also outgrowing my peanut allergy.

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